It's official. I don't hate Sephiroth...I LOATHE HIM!!!

[Yoherz]

Originally Posted by Gondor Reficul

Honestly. The new games that come out don't offer a good challenge. And the remakes of the challenging games become child's play. Zeromus is quite powerful, and he's quite fair (since about 3/5 turns he has he does nothing). Sephiroth...he's predictable. You know exactly what he's going to do, and it only takes a battle with him to figure it out. Done correctly, you can beat Sephiroth before he gets an attack in. You can't do that with Zeromus. No way. You have to fight him the old fashioned way. It can still take me about 20 minutes to beat Zeromus. Sephiroth, if I kept my old file, I could beat in less than 5, and you could beat Sephiorth in less than 3 with your Lv 99 characters.

Note that Zeromus was geared to fight 5 party members, Sephiroth was geared to fight 3.

I'll agree that the newer games give hardly any challenge, but you failed to mention before that he does nothing every few turns.
Oh and Zeromous might have more HP since he has 5 people on him, but Sephiroth would outdamage him. That's the difference.

Originally Posted by Black Mage

God stop comparing them please. Who cares how awsome 1337 pwnage this zeromus guy is and how lame sephiroth was. Im 100% sure that theres another boss in some other game elsewhere that makes zeromus look like sephiroth and sephiroth like a puppy. I do agree that sephiroth was quite easy for an end game boss. Friend of mine beat him using only "Attack" because he did 9999 each hit. (which im sure isnt a real feat or anything most people probly did so as well) I dont mean to sound like im bashing your thread, but is it really about comparing zeromus and sephiroth?

It's very possible to do 9,999 a hit. It takes quite a long time, but it's very possible. To do it, you have to morph a certain monster and max out each character's strength to 255.
Though, I think people say that he's uber easy because of Knights of the Round. Which, is the ONLY 'broken' attack that I ever came to know of the time. Use that with mimic and you can kill litterally anything. Most people would just spam it with mimic and the battle would be over in a few turns. I never did that since I couldn't get a gold chocobo (tried at least 30 times) and it made the game so easy that it was a pushover.

[Sinclair]

Sephiroth actually makes the Final Fantasy VII storyline, and giving him a part in Kingdom Hearts/II was a very good idea if you ask me. Simply because of the factor that [ in KHII ] it continued off, somewhat, from Final Fantasy VII, defining how Sephiroth changed Cloud. And yes, Cloud and Sephiroth are basically alike, there's only acouple of difference.

And there's no doubt that, Sephiroth is hard to beat in either one of the Kingdom Hearts.

HOWEVER. Sephiroth was easily defeated in Final Fantasy VII. The one whom used Super Nova and that was Safer Sephiroth, there's a difference. [ Safer Sephiroth wasn't actually Sephiroth. ]

And if you actually get to it. Sephiroth wasn't Sephiroth in Final Fantasy VII. Atleast, it didn't appear so for me. [ I've watched the Last Order, and Advent Children. ] It appeared more like to be Jenova to me. Regardless of what you saw in the movie. [ Jenova was able to change her shape remember? And acouple of times that the Sephiroth in the FFVII game appeared wrong. ] Regardless, once you defeated Safer Sephiroth it was your turn to actually go head-to-head with Sephiroth.

In Kingdom Hearts, battling Sephiroth in the first game was -not- easy, until you got his moves [ and your own ] packed down. So no, he's not a weak villian or anything of that sort.

Kingdom Hearts II, same thing.

Sephiroth is never easy in any of the games, and no, my characters were never weak either.

[Yoherz]

In Kingdom Hearts and KH2, he was an admirable opponent. You had to get your s*** straight and try at least 20 times before you can finally beat him. Though, on KH2 you can beat him in less than a minute.

Though, in FFVII, the real one (the one in the lifestream [I think he's the real one]) was a one hit kill.
Safer Sephiroth, was still a challenge, and was only easy around my level. Though, if we're talking about "Sephiroth" and reffering to him as using his best attack and that he can kick our a**ses and so forth, it's understood by almost any FFVII player that we're talking about Safer Sephiroth. There was really no need to specify.

[Lewelynikki]

For Me It Was Harder To Beat In KH1...Anyways,Nice Ideas
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[Gondor Reficul]

Okay. Safer Sephiroth was a challenge, but it was only ONCE. Other than that, he was just someone to beat around, like that happiness bunny in Shin Chan.

Kingdom Hearts...tsk. I didn't like him having story in KHII. I didn't like that he was even remotely important to the game. I also didn't like the fact that you couldn't challenge him again.

Sephiroth just doesn't feel like a villain to me. Advent Children sucks from what I heard from my sister and I hear that Last Order had some of the events messed up (maybe that was something else). So I don't take much of anything out of the game into account.

[Sinclair]

Last Order, however, was also created by the same people whom did the game, so think about it? I've watched it, it's not messed up. Besides, if it wasn't [ I only watched it once, but recall alot clearly. ] then regardless, they wouldva had to get -insight- from the creators first before anything.

Sephiroth, in the Lifestream, or not, we'll never really be sure.

And in Kingdom Hearts II, I watched someone where it took her more than once to actually defeat him, so don't go jumping around yet.

I adored Advent Children. Even Sephiroth in there didn't seem to be too easy for Cloud in that movie.

[Black Mage]

Originally Posted by Gondor Reficul

Advent Children sucks from what I heard from my sister and I hear that Last Order had some of the events messed up (maybe that was something else). So I don't take much of anything out of the game into account.

Well do you always go by just what you hear? I do believe you are in love with the Tale of series correct? Well what if she told you they had sucked .

[Yoherz]

True, but the same could be said of the KH Sephy. Once you get his moves down and beat him, it's a piece of cake to beat him over and over.

KH1, it was good. He didn't have any specific story. He was there, probably just looking for a challenge, and you fought him. And you could keep fighting him even after you beat him. Though, luckily, he didn't have some cheesy line like "I'll be back" when you beat him.
KH2, it sucked. You can beat him in less than a minute easily if you know what to do, and you could only fight him once. So much for having pride in the strongest weapon.

AC really wasn't that bad. It's not as good as the game itself, but it's decent. I would recommend it, but not to anyone that hasn't played the game.
Never saw Last Order.

Sinclair: Gondor and I found a video on YouTube of someone beating Sephy in exactly 35 seconds. When it's possible to do that to an optional boss, then you know he's too easy.

[Black Mage]

Originally Posted by Yoherz

True, but the same could be said of the KH Sephy. Once you get his moves down and beat him, it's a piece of cake to beat him over and over.

KH1, it was good. He didn't have any specific story. He was there, probably just looking for a challenge, and you fought him. And you could keep fighting him even after you beat him. Though, luckily, he didn't have some cheesy line like "I'll be back" when you beat him.
KH2, it sucked. You can beat him in less than a minute easily if you know what to do, and you could only fight him once. So much for having pride in the strongest weapon.

AC really wasn't that bad. It's not as good as the game itself, but it's decent. I would recommend it, but not to anyone that hasn't played the game.
Never saw Last Order.

Sinclair: Gondor and I found a video on YouTube of someone beating Sephy in exactly 35 seconds. When it's possible to do that to an optional boss, then you know he's too easy.

Wow no way theres just no way. I dont see how that possible ever. No matter how good you are or have his patterns down he has too much health to only take 35 seconds. Atleast it seems like to me. I wont believe it unless you can show me proof of this feat. I looked for it and cant find it. Link please?

[Sinclair]

Yeah, it's easy to actually beat Sephiroth in the second Kingdom Hearts, however, if you don't have anything proper and trying to beat him for the first time, or if you weren't really ready for it. [ I'm mainly using my friend as an example. I just beat everything throughout beating Sephiroth, I believe. ] then there is a time when things can be difficult in that game.

I'm not completely saying that beating Seph in the second one isn't hard, however, I'm also saying beating him in that one for some others, can be hard as well.