Abortion

[Cloudpiroth]

That's really hard...losing somebody that u loved with all ur heart. I lost someone very close to me and i would have wanted nothing but to be buried with them.

[blah40000]

back on topic here people...

it is nothing but a parasite until it leaves the body...

[Cloudpiroth]

dude.... that ain't cool. Even a paracite is a living being.

As i said before, first trimester u can have an abortion but after that, u have to have a health risk to get an abortion.

[Sinclair]

Well, I didn't feel like reading this enough thing because I'm a completely lazy person. =] However, something caught my eye just scrolling down to see what was on this page.

back on topic here people...

it is nothing but a parasite until it leaves the body...

A parasite? Something with a heartbeat is being deemed a parasite? Now, child, that's a completely wrong way to look at it.

At one point, we were all within our mother's womb, so even then we were parasites. [ Now, you're probably going to be one of those jackasses that says, "Yeah, but I wasn't a parasite." ]

This caught my eye simply because I'm a hundred percent Pro-Life, and I distaste hearing anything about abortions.

Abortions should only be used when; a child dies in the womb. [ I.E. Post-Abortions simply because the child has died, and the body hasn't learned of it yet. Thusly it could causes an infection to the mother, killing her as well. ]

Abortions are used as birth control anymore. Instead of people actually using condoms and birth control. Just thinking about this makes me sick. Abortions are used because of rape [ which is understanding ], however, you shouldn't kill an innocent child just because of someone's actions. Did the child actually do anything to you at all?

No. The mother just happened to be ovulating, doesn't mean it's the child's fault because of the active egg, and the sperm being there at the right time. If anything that child should be given up for adoptions, I'm sure alot of willing families would take that child.

No. The child shouldn't be aborted because you can't afford the bills that comes with it. Welfare even if you don't want to do, do it. Then give the child up for adoption even if you still can't afford it. Or make it easy; GET A JOB, AND SAVE UP FOR THE CHILD. It's going to cost atleast 400 a month for everything for a baby. [ Again, no excuse, my fiance and I had nothing to our name, I put myself on Welfare just to pay for the bills of labor and everything. ]

Even, the classic "But my boyfriend said, we would get married and have children." That's a classic excuse for a woman to abort their child, when that child is completely innocent, and you shouldn't subcome to pressure.


>> I could do this all day..

[Cloudpiroth]

Originally Posted by Sinclair

Abortions are used because of rape [ which is understanding ], however, you shouldn't kill an innocent child just because of someone's actions. Did the child actually do anything to you at all?

No. The mother just happened to be ovulating, doesn't mean it's the child's fault because of the active egg, and the sperm being there at the right time. If anything that child should be given up for adoptions, I'm sure alot of willing families would take that child.

I think that this is unfair. It is also not the mothers fault that a mad man had decided to force himself upon her and possibly threatened her life in order to have sex. It is unfair to think that having the man's child is the same.

I know that you can give the child to a caring family. But the problem is that it would be a reminder of what happened to conceive the child. It would kill her to think of such a terrible act of violence. It is unfair to both the child and the mother.

That is why it could be up to the women whether to have the child or not. It is unfair to say you HAVE TO have the child. You got to think about the potential impact on the psyche of the women and the child (if in fact it is born) if s/he learns of how they were conceived.

[blah40000]

No, I am not a jackass like that, I admit that when in the womb I was a parasite, but the raw truth is that an embryo/fetus has no conscious thoughts asides from "survive" and what do all things do to "survive"? They feed, and they are feeding off of the nutrients of the female, and thus they are a parasite because they did not work for their food asides from leeching it off of the host.

When a "child" is "born" it is, like all living beings that are active and animate, an "animal", the other humans "domesticate" this creature into a "person" over the course of it's life, if it were not "domesticated" into a "person" it would be considered another "animal", but even if it were not "domesticated" and it was killed, "people" would sympathize it more-so than if a chimp died, but the truth is that it was basically the same thing as the chimp...

Now to ask a question: If a spider lays it's eggs in your ear, regardless of whether it would kill you or not, and there was a tapeworm in your intestines, would you have them removed?

Before you answer you must take into account that they would die without you seeing that they are parasites and you are the host. That being said if you answered "yes" you are a total hypocrite because it is no more immoral to remove one parasite compared to removing a different one, if you said "no" that would imply that you are a liberal hippie that over sympathizes with everything...

In the end either answer makes you a liberal hippie...

On the subject of choices: Did I ask to be born? No. Would I have cared whether or not my parents had gotten an abortion? No, because that's their choice, and my life sucks anyway, but that is another story for another day...

Also I have a question on the morality of hermaphrodites at birth: Is it moral to remove one of the sets of genitals and raise the "child" as the gender of the genitals they left on the "child"? or should the "child" be raised and given a choice in the matter when they mature whether to stay a hermaphrodite or choose a gender?

I personally think it is immoral to remove the one set of genitals before giving the "child" a choice in the matter, but I would like your opinion on that as well...

When it comes to issues like these, I'm pro choice, because it's immoral to say things like: "you're having this child whether you are able support it/want it or not." and "well ma'am do you want it to be a boy or a girl?"

I respect that you have your opinion, but don't force it on me and say I'm wrong, because in reality, everyone's wrong...

[Nykocide]

Ok... here is my opinion. And yes it did happen to me. I was in love with this guy, we were supposed to get married. We even decided to have a child together, however after i got pregnant the relationship went sour fast. When I broke off th relationship it got soo bad that we got into a fight to where i was arrested for Domestic violence. Mind you he's three times my size and I was pregnant. He wasn't arrested at all. Now I have a record and probation. Then I found out after spending two days in county jail with no decent food or water, that my ex wanted to get back together with me.

I didn't by it. Then he made my life a living hell....
First, per a restraining order he started, myself and my son was homeless for several weeks until the court date that granted me my apartment back. second, he stole my driver's license bank cards, and any thing that might have stopped me from working so I could lose my apartment.

And then when he was ordered to vacate the apartment and take his name off the lease he refused to do so. So now I barely make the rent

I decided not to have his child because of two reasons;

1. His family medical background was too risky
2. He even said he was going to take the child from me

I decided not to bring a child into this world of drama that my ex was trying to produce.

Am I in the wrong?

[Sinclair]

@blah40000: You stated everything wrong then.

@Nyko: In a sense, I'd say yes. But it's your choice. Simply because it wasn't that child's choice to be put there in the first place. And yet at the same time, you're playing God.

A game that no one wins at.

You wanted to give life - and then later your choice was too take the life away at the same time.

My family and my fiance's backgrounds aren't extreme, but well enough. My fiance has WPW [ and so on, and so on. ], on my mom's side there seems to be alot of people with ADD, and so on. [ People are just completely dysfunction on my mom's and dad's side. Yet, I stayed sane compared to all of them. ]

You're playing God, and just might mess up your own system because of the abortion. That's the one thing people really don't seem to understand at all. It mess up your system - and it only takes one abortion to do that.

It's a child's birthright if they want to live or die. And sometimes, in some cases, it's up to your own systems at the same time.

Edit: In my point of view, it's just not right to try to play God.

First it giveth, than it taketh away.